Free money here
I have a friend whom I haven’t heard from for a while, a fantastically decent chap, we soldiered together when neither of us had a bean between us.
His business is gone slow and he has been looking for other “opportunities” I should add that he has zero internet and computing experience.
He has been hanging out with these “nice folk” and now these “lovely people” are going to help him get rich or should I say help him to get them rich.
These fantastically talented human beings are going to make him rich beyond his wildest dreams in fact one of them named The Rainmaker is making people rich left right and centre already.
Sean Roach according to my friend is the absolute bee knees among them and is going to make him rich beyond his wildest dreams, all sounds amazing right?
Well after sharing stages with Donald Trump, Lady Diana, Rudy Giuliani and other visionaries
Where do I sign up?
My friends personal coach/guidance guru is the wonderful Saj P who is the creator of the amazingly titled “Affiliate Funnel System Bonus and Review” which is an “affiliate marketing guaranteed to generate 6 figures a month in affiliate commissions” it has resulted in Saj P becoming an under the radar millionaire
Wow- again where do I sign up?
Now the interesting thing about these people is that its strictly money up front for these amazing programs, if its all so good why isn’t the course free
They are bound to get it back aren’t they?
I hope you understand this was written tongue in cheek but you can go as mad as you like in the comments, with the economy in its current state we are going to see a lot more of these get “rich” quick schemes with people beg borrowing/stealing or spending their redundancy payments on it.
This was the event in Dublin
Leaves a taste in my mouth.
Seems like a scam to me! All these “proven” systems are a rip-off.
this will turn out to be a ponzi/pyramid scheme funneling cash from people hoping to make a quick euro straight into the pockets of these so-called “experts”.
And in these times, with people in financial trouble, they’ll find more and more victims.
I hope your friend sees sense Pat.
There are no secret. Success equal deliver value and get paid. Simple. If your doing anything else and getting paid then you’ll get no respect from me
These bullshit [mostly pyramid] schemes aren’t worth a moment of your time Pat. You shouldn’t even have bothered blogging about them.
It always amazes me, though, that they get even one person who comtemplates taking them up on their amazing get rich quick schemes. I just don’t understand how people buy into it. Desperation? Naivety? Stupidity? Intruige? Who knows.
@johnbillion
when you have a friend wanting to give these people 5k to kick off you certainly want to shine a light upon them.
What Brian said above.
Isn’t this the digital equivalent of placing an add in a paper saying ‘Send 100 Euros/Dollars/Pounds and I will tell you how to make money’ when the envelope is sent you get a reply to put an add in the paper.
It scares me that people who fall for such an obvious scam are in business, however successful.
Interestingly, 2 of those URLs have already been blocked by URL.ie because of spam complaints!
Also, does Pat Slattery not know someone’s drawn a comedy goatee on him in those photos ?
@cgarvey
desperate times and all that.
everyone wants to fins a silver lining
Pat, these guys “hit” Limerick some time back and approached me if they could talk at the Limerick Open Coffee Club. Obviously I told them there was no interest.
They also got their hands on a list of mobile phone numbers and spammed the hell out of it.
These type of schemes are obvious ripp-offs with no other purpose than to make the organisers rich. They are no different from the recent spate of “Angel investor groups” who charge up-front for a you to be allowed to pitch your idea.
Besides the fact that I hate ripp-off merchants it really gets my goat that the good organisations out there (the Greenhouse amongst them) get tarred with the same brush by association. Just because to the “untrained eye” we seem to have goals they think that either we’re all good or we’re all bad. People who offer “get rich quick schemes” are snake-oil sales people plain and simple.
One more thing: £50,000?! Since when have Pounds been introduced in this country?
Why has he contacted you out of the blue? Is he trying to suck you in too?! Bring him to some entrepreneur/startup events. Make him realise you only get out what you put in and that this requires some bloody hard work! Ack, why are people so stupid with pyramid schemes, they prey on the vulnerable, so not fair.
We were twittering back and forth about this on Sunday night Pat and I was shocked that you actually knew someone who fell for this crap…only to find out I know someone who was at their event on Sunday too!
These people sicken me as I feel they’re akin to people who screw pensioners, especially in the current climate when there are a load more people out there looking to find a new direction in life. Louis Theroux did a great piece on an American version of these people.
Anyway, I agree with you. Anything and everything needs to be done to show people that these people are scam artists talking shite. I mean come on ‘The rainmaker’? Seriously who could take that seriously.
People will believe only what they want to believe at that time ,
It is like my daughter phoning me up one day and all excited she was , MA i have won the uk lottery , i got a e mail today , I said ok calm down and tell me ,Did you buy a ticket for the uk lotto ? no was the anser , so i said to her , listen child if something sounds to good to be true ,then it is , What im getting at here is , scammers will always find the most vunerable among us , they make us believe with their sales talk anything they want us to believe , It is like the tarrot card reading i get to my e mail every week and im told they had dreamt about me all night and they could see a 6 figure sum on the way to me ,but unless i sent them money this 6 figure would pass me by , bullshit ,if i was meant to be rich i would have being long before now ,the 6 figures is passing me by everyday , my sons hand out for 6 euro going to school ,
Jeez don’t I feel stupid now…
and there’s me hugging trees left, right and centre…. hoping just one day, one of them big horse chesnuts will remember to wear his trousers, take out his wallet and hand over the mastercard 
keep on rockin in the free world…
@peter_donegan How can someone *not* love you?!
it’s like paying financial advisors fees while they piss your money up against the wall.
the only way these muppets will ever make you rich is by inspiring you recruit other fools to sit one step further down the pyramid to make you into an “under the radar millionaire” by paying up-front for a bit of paper that says “… and now go recruit 10 more suckers as your downline”
It’s worse than Amway – at least there you have tangible products and can add some value – this is just a cycle of leeches with each rung on the food chain less well off than the ones above.
Of course, feel free to visit my Amazon affiliate store and make me an under the radar millionaire while I sleep
In this climate, SAVING money should be first and foremost on most peoples minds. We should be concentrating on the 2 for 1 deals in every second shop than giving our hard earned cash away to these jokers.
I put this link out on twitter the other night when these you first spotted these cowboys, Pat. Worth putting in here for the laugh… They remind me of this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2IVF9a2IA
@PatPhelan Amazing… I thought these things were mainly restricted to the US… in fact a lot of the “nice people” seem to be American “Gurus”. Bob Proctor is one of those “The Secret” lunatics, isn’t he?
Never thought Irish punters would be gullible enough for this sort of thing… but people are going through hard times and are clutching at the wrong sort of straws, I guess.
@DerekTroy Nice idea… look out for the ad in the next Echo Pink Ads
I was actually tweeting with someone on Sunday night about this without actually realising that it was these crooks.
I asked her is that Bob guy was a real proctologist.
LOL!
Yes, what these guys are at is bullsh*t but if it’s not illegal there is no problem.
If some people believe that there is some money making system out there let them spend their money.
A friend of mine, whom I previously thought very sensible and rational, got sucked into this as well. Got the feeling they were being incentivised somehow to get me to attend next event although when I asked out straight they denied it.
It never fails to disappoint me how readily some people will prey on those in need. There are some people out there who are really desperate & struggling to keep their heads above water at the moment – the last thing they need is a “funnel” or pyramid scheme.
I agree with Marie above – why not take your friend along to some more genuine entrepreneur events so that he can see how it should be done.
Reminds me of something my dad said to me (paraphrased) – “If it sounds too good to be true, it is. If it costs €5k and still sounds too good to be true… run for the hills.”
The Data Protection Commission were supposed to be investigating the Limerick Mobile phone number spamming. Haven’t heard from them in a few months. Still no idea how they got the numbers. That Slattery bloke was involved in the Limerick event.
Well done for exposing that scam. In this climate its essential that people are exposed for dishonest behaviour!!
What a crowd of spoilsports you all are. This is a great way to brighten up many people’s lives and teach them a valuable lesson for the rest of their lives.
I’m sure there is big money to be made. It’s only right we have an opportunity to have some of it. Otherwise I’m going to have to spend the rest of my life working hard and not growing all that rich.
All our hopes dashed by you gang. Haven’t we the right to a bit of heaven on earth? Pat is right to post on this – at least he is spreading the message through twitter and his blog. And if it’s in his blog it must be trustworthy.
I’ve heard of lots of people getting rich without doing much. Lots of them get huge bonuses for betting with other people’s money. In Ireland there are even people who borrowed heaps of money without putting up anything and have been helped out by others who weren’t smart enough to get in on the act.
Would you please stop going on about this being a scam. If people think it’s a scam, they won’t join up and no one will make easy money. I thought all you lot were in favour of wealth creation?
As with all these get rich quick/you won the lotto/share this unclaimed inheritance they target those with ‘zero internet and computing experience’. When you use the internet everyday it’s hard to imagine that it’s still beyond the grasp of so many people.
There’s quiet a learning curve for newbies who are blissfully unaware of what spam is and when they get over the excitement of readily accessible porn they very often click on that get rich quick link/ad/email etc.
These schemes very often have a huge marketing machine behind them. Unless someone is blogging or tweeting regularly (which is well along the learning curve IMO) they will very rarely find out about the various networking/entrepreneurial events like the bizcamps, open coffees etc.
With less than 25% of Irish adults using social networking sites, this leaves a huge proportion of the population as easy targets. Unless those of us who know better don’t get the word out there to the ‘newbies’ about all these get rich quick schemes then several of those with ‘zero internet and computing experience’ will always fall easy victim.
The bad news is there’s not much point in telling them via blogs because at the moment, they don’t know blogs exist.
What gets me is how their “pitch” looks like spam. I assumed that the screen shot above was doctored to make fun of them, so I clicked through.
No, that is their actual site.
I can imagine someone falling for the face-to-face pitch, but even the quotes used are worring let alone the headline.
Looking at the twitter search at the end of the post,… did any real profile tweet about Dublin event?
Just as a quick follow up to my earlier comment, I think when someone opens a new email account they should automatically receive an email warning them about the various scams they might receive in their inbox. It shouldn’t be too hard to do.
It’s time people realized that not everybody is just like them. Some human beings lack conscience, being capable of doing horrific and hurtful things to others as long as it suits them. My deepest wish is for people to cotton on to this, and to learn the signs that they are in the presence of a conman (or conwoman). A few:
1) Excessive flattery.
2) Sham emotion – they pretend to be moved or hurt, but there’s nothing there, it’s just an act (they may even have themselves fooled).
3) Charming, as opposed to genuine.
4) Crave stimulation and excitement, and keen to lure you into the same destructive addiction for it. They will encourage you to take shocking risks, but in such a nonchalant way that you question your own judgement as to what is reasonable risk.
5) They will tell you that you are just like them, draw lots of comparisons between you and them. This is particularly effective if someone shows outward displays of wealth and is trying to con someone out of their money – “invest in me, and you too can have all this!” All the bling and status symbols usually are for show, they often don’t have two nickels to rub together (it’s not what you have, it’s what’s paid for…and what you paid for yourself).
6) A mile long list of supposed credentials – if anyone bothered to try to verify these, they usually don’t check out. These people are able to keep such scams going for years precisely because it doesn’t occur to most people that anyone could be so dishonest and craven as to make up such things. Question supposed authority.
These people are sick scumbags. Don’t waste your time, money, or precious gifts on them.
To this day i can not understand why people fall for this. Lets face it if making money was so simple every single person in the world would work for them selves.
Twitter: shanekny
21st October, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I think the reason that so many people fall for these scams is that in most of them a few lucky people are actually allowed to make a fair bit of money. They then go on to tell all their friends about it, who of course are now hearing about it from someone they trust, and think they can make money too.
It’s easy to see how once a couple people are sucked in, and given a bit of cash to show for it, everyone they know could start to consider signing up. Even if they never would normally.
Twitter: shanekny
24th January, 2010 at 9:13 pm
you no who is going to make money your stuped big shot