Comments on: Have we over innovated? http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/ Mobile, Roaming and Social Media Sat, 19 May 2012 21:06:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: brendan lally http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-473042 brendan lally Sun, 25 May 2008 01:40:09 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-473042 Evert, Has hit it on the head. If u're not solving a problem that the user is willing 2 pay 4 then forget. Sure u can create Twittery type stuff 4 the geek crowd and get some traction but thats <1% of the overall market. Paul S has a very valid point in that if it ain't easy 2 use - forget it Now saying that Damien is also correct in that iPhone 'came out of the blue'... but at the same time IS SOLVING a problem - mobile (in the US) was all about voice and now u have internet ability (if anyone thinks the average Joe was using Internet on their mobile u're dream'n) My 2c. Lal Evert,
Has hit it on the head. If u’re not solving a problem that the user is willing 2 pay 4 then forget.
Sure u can create Twittery type stuff 4 the geek crowd and get some traction but thats <1% of the overall market.
Paul S has a very valid point in that if it ain’t easy 2 use – forget it

Now saying that Damien is also correct in that iPhone ‘came out of the blue’… but at the same time IS SOLVING a problem – mobile (in the US) was all about voice and now u have internet ability (if anyone thinks the average Joe was using Internet on their mobile u’re dream’n)

My 2c.
Lal

]]> By: WillKnott.ie » Blog Archive » The innovation of Crowds http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471899 WillKnott.ie » Blog Archive » The innovation of Crowds Mon, 19 May 2008 15:01:06 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471899 [...] Given that one of the creators of Twitterfone, namely Pat Phelan, posed the question “Have we over innovated?“, its surprising. Image via [...] [...] Given that one of the creators of Twitterfone, namely Pat Phelan, posed the question “Have we over innovated?“, its surprising. Image via [...]

]]> By: The Curse of Innovation : Alexia Golez http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471480 The Curse of Innovation : Alexia Golez Thu, 15 May 2008 09:57:35 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471480 [...] Pat originally asked the question, “Has technology set over-innovated?” I have to say yes and no. It depends on what angle you take when looking at the question. [...] [...] Pat originally asked the question, “Has technology set over-innovated?” I have to say yes and no. It depends on what angle you take when looking at the question. [...]

]]> By: Unfortunately, I was right | LucaFiligheddu.com http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471114 Unfortunately, I was right | LucaFiligheddu.com Thu, 08 May 2008 08:44:40 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471114 [...] going on? Not enough space for too many players? Too early for services like those? Have we over innovated? What do you [...] [...] going on? Not enough space for too many players? Too early for services like those? Have we over innovated? What do you [...]

]]> By: Evert Bopp http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471049 Evert Bopp Wed, 07 May 2008 19:20:17 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471049 Pat, it's like I always say; there is no point in selling something that nobody wants to buy (or even understands) right now. It's great to be all innovative and all us geeks can sit around and have a big techie w*nk-fest about the latest and greatest (pardon my French) but it's all about the money. And that's not VC money, grants and other forms of inward investment. It's cold hard cash that your customers are willing to pay for your product or service. That cash will not come if nobody can understand or use your product. History proves the salesman as the winner not the innovator. Pat, it’s like I always say; there is no point in selling something that nobody wants to buy (or even understands) right now.
It’s great to be all innovative and all us geeks can sit around and have a big techie w*nk-fest about the latest and greatest (pardon my French) but it’s all about the money. And that’s not VC money, grants and other forms of inward investment. It’s cold hard cash that your customers are willing to pay for your product or service.
That cash will not come if nobody can understand or use your product. History proves the salesman as the winner not the innovator.

]]> By: Damien Mulley » Blog Archive » Comfort zones, Iterations, Innovations and Product Design http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471024 Damien Mulley » Blog Archive » Comfort zones, Iterations, Innovations and Product Design Wed, 07 May 2008 11:21:32 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471024 [...] Phelan asked are we (I guess he means humanity or the tech world) over-innovating. I don’t think we are. I think we’re scarificing innovation for over-iterating and [...] [...] Phelan asked are we (I guess he means humanity or the tech world) over-innovating. I don’t think we are. I think we’re scarificing innovation for over-iterating and [...]

]]> By: Innovation; Too Much of a Good Thing? | VoIP MoVoIP Blog http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-471019 Innovation; Too Much of a Good Thing? | VoIP MoVoIP Blog Wed, 07 May 2008 08:55:26 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-471019 [...] Phelan has an interesting post today about innovation and the tendency for most “bleeding edge” technology companies to [...] [...] Phelan has an interesting post today about innovation and the tendency for most “bleeding edge” technology companies to [...]

]]> By: Damien Mulley http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-470970 Damien Mulley Tue, 06 May 2008 18:11:52 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-470970 WWSJD? Steve Jobs made a market for the iPod in what was a very open and possibly saturated market. Sell a complicated idea to Steve and he'll hack it to bits and make the same thing have mass market appeal. Apple made the almost 25+ year old mobile phone more usable and easier for the average consumer but also brought in more "complex" innovations than ringing someone yet the general consumer is very au-fait with Google maps now. I wish we had more innovation that transfered to general consumers, instead we give them iterations that we're comfortable in thinking that it will make them comfortable. Build the bridge of simplicity that will take the complex solution to a future problem to the consumer who won't realise they are doing something different or new. WWSJD?

Steve Jobs made a market for the iPod in what was a very open and possibly saturated market. Sell a complicated idea to Steve and he’ll hack it to bits and make the same thing have mass market appeal. Apple made the almost 25+ year old mobile phone more usable and easier for the average consumer but also brought in more “complex” innovations than ringing someone yet the general consumer is very au-fait with Google maps now.

I wish we had more innovation that transfered to general consumers, instead we give them iterations that we’re comfortable in thinking that it will make them comfortable. Build the bridge of simplicity that will take the complex solution to a future problem to the consumer who won’t realise they are doing something different or new.

]]> By: Neal McQuaid http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-470966 Neal McQuaid Tue, 06 May 2008 16:19:24 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-470966 Well said - this is something that has been becoming more and more prevalent (as Robin alluded to in his blog post) - innovation is almost speeding up. Garrett says it right also, stuff that wasn't accepted two years ago is only been slightly considered now (the largest mobile telco in Ireland's R&D department couldn't see the reasons for a Jaiku-presence-style client when I demoed it on a pile of handsets in 2006!). I think there's a big gap out there. My big confirmation of this was when I joined the workplace after absence last year - while it's easy to go and pick up the phone to call, the tv still works as normal; I had a serious hill to climb to re-acquaint with newer techs(the signature on my emails is now theoretically about 15 lines long for all the contact options which is ridiculous) - something most people have no interest in chasing. Take twitter, most 'normal' people aren't willing to even consider changing the status on gtalk/skype, let alone twitter 10, 20, times a day. We haven't even got most people to the concept of using 'presence', let alone any further. I don't believe innovation should slow down but there's definitely a case for filtering out the mess (which it is). KISS is something that comes to mind :) How to we explain all these cool concepts (which some really are!) to the masses? Well said – this is something that has been becoming more and more prevalent (as Robin alluded to in his blog post) – innovation is almost speeding up.

Garrett says it right also, stuff that wasn’t accepted two years ago is only been slightly considered now (the largest mobile telco in Ireland’s R&D department couldn’t see the reasons for a Jaiku-presence-style client when I demoed it on a pile of handsets in 2006!). I think there’s a big gap out there.

My big confirmation of this was when I joined the workplace after absence last year – while it’s easy to go and pick up the phone to call, the tv still works as normal; I had a serious hill to climb to re-acquaint with newer techs(the signature on my emails is now theoretically about 15 lines long for all the contact options which is ridiculous) – something most people have no interest in chasing.
Take twitter, most ‘normal’ people aren’t willing to even consider changing the status on gtalk/skype, let alone twitter 10, 20, times a day. We haven’t even got most people to the concept of using ‘presence’, let alone any further.

I don’t believe innovation should slow down but there’s definitely a case for filtering out the mess (which it is). KISS is something that comes to mind :)

How to we explain all these cool concepts (which some really are!) to the masses?

]]> By: omfut http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/comment-page-1/#comment-470965 omfut Tue, 06 May 2008 16:15:46 +0000 http://patphelan.net/have-we-over-innovated/#comment-470965 Pat: Spot one. I have been thinking about the something for quite sometime now. Web 2.0 is becoming more and more geek stuff than building something for the average Joe. What really matters is that an average Joe adopts the service and is willing to pay for the same. Nevertheless it doesn’t mean that innovation is not good, but it should be incremental. I guess recently the valley is echoing the sentiment of solving a big problem rather than building cool stuff for geeks. Unless startups find a big problem and solve it, it’s gone be hard to survive the turbulent times. Innovation should be incremental built on basic needs Cheers, Omfut Pat:
Spot one. I have been thinking about the something for quite sometime now. Web 2.0 is becoming more and more geek stuff than building something for the average Joe. What really matters is that an average Joe adopts the service and is willing to pay for the same. Nevertheless it doesn’t mean that innovation is not good, but it should be incremental. I guess recently the valley is echoing the sentiment of solving a big problem rather than building cool stuff for geeks. Unless startups find a big problem and solve it, it’s gone be hard to survive the turbulent times. Innovation should be incremental built on basic needs

Cheers,
Omfut

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