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		<title>By: Twitter Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats great that you are talking about the twitter api,a good example of searching with the twitter api is on twiogle.com because you can search on twitter and google at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats great that you are talking about the twitter api,a good example of searching with the twitter api is on twiogle.com because you can search on twitter and google at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitter- I need an intervention, please</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/hey-twitter-wanna-a-few-bucks/comment-page-1/#comment-498376</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitter- I need an intervention, please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] looks like last weeks twitter post was spot on given the news that twitter is now throttling its API Does it really matter? Twitter is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] looks like last weeks twitter post was spot on given the news that twitter is now throttling its API Does it really matter? Twitter is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Could Twitter bake-in location and earn? : Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Could Twitter bake-in location and earn? : Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote an interesting post on Pat&#8217;s blog about how Twitter could squeeze revenue by becoming a broadcast network of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote an interesting post on Pat&#8217;s blog about how Twitter could squeeze revenue by becoming a broadcast network of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Florian SEROUSSI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Florian SEROUSSI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steven Livingstone-Perez  In most business feeds have a cost. If you want a NYT feed for commercial purposes. You pay for it. It should definitely be the same for Twitter. It raises a question of property: is content posted on Twitter Twitter&#039;s property? I think we all agree it is.
@Maxine Implementing a charge for API usage is very simple to do. Building an analytical tool to trend emotion and behavioral patterns [lol] sounds a bit complicated to turn into cash :)

Thanks for your great comments. Like I said on my post - the idea is here and needs to be fine tuned. Input welcome - always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven Livingstone-Perez  In most business feeds have a cost. If you want a NYT feed for commercial purposes. You pay for it. It should definitely be the same for Twitter. It raises a question of property: is content posted on Twitter Twitter&#8217;s property? I think we all agree it is.<br />
@Maxine Implementing a charge for API usage is very simple to do. Building an analytical tool to trend emotion and behavioral patterns [lol] sounds a bit complicated to turn into cash <img src='http://patphelan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for your great comments. Like I said on my post &#8211; the idea is here and needs to be fine tuned. Input welcome &#8211; always.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin (Yoostin)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin (Yoostin)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly my view is a little tilted because twitter dropped a big chunk of utility here in the UK when they dropped tweets by SMS. That&#039;s a whole revenue model there if they ever get around to fixing the deal.

But I don&#039;t think the money will come from fee charging in some form on the average user side of the gig. I can&#039;t remember where I got this from but a big chunk of usage on twitter isn&#039;t down to the big users, charging on a freemium model with SLA&#039;s based on query volumes etc. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the big buck deal.

There doesn&#039;t seem to be a great impetus there to open up their raw fire hose of data, the XMPP access. They could obviously get into peering deals and let those &quot;proxies&quot; out how they will pay their twitter bills, pretty much as Florian says.

I think Twitter&#039;s pay out will come in offering quicker than &quot;real time&quot; data with some real intelligent filtering and trending. Think Bloomberg Professional but on the editors desk in every serious news organisation. Sure, anyone can build that sort of client and back end but twitter will always have the updates first. If they just queued all the tweets in a sort of buffer on the public side there would be some real value in getting that time critical stuff before everyone else.

We really are talking minutes at most here, but I think there would be lots of super premium subscribers to such a service and for them there would be value in keeping access as unbridled as possible, more voices = more data points to filter and more chance of getting a tweet from someone that has something people will want to hear about.

But hey, what the hell do I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly my view is a little tilted because twitter dropped a big chunk of utility here in the UK when they dropped tweets by SMS. That&#8217;s a whole revenue model there if they ever get around to fixing the deal.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think the money will come from fee charging in some form on the average user side of the gig. I can&#8217;t remember where I got this from but a big chunk of usage on twitter isn&#8217;t down to the big users, charging on a freemium model with SLA&#8217;s based on query volumes etc. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the big buck deal.</p>
<p>There doesn&#8217;t seem to be a great impetus there to open up their raw fire hose of data, the XMPP access. They could obviously get into peering deals and let those &#8220;proxies&#8221; out how they will pay their twitter bills, pretty much as Florian says.</p>
<p>I think Twitter&#8217;s pay out will come in offering quicker than &#8220;real time&#8221; data with some real intelligent filtering and trending. Think Bloomberg Professional but on the editors desk in every serious news organisation. Sure, anyone can build that sort of client and back end but twitter will always have the updates first. If they just queued all the tweets in a sort of buffer on the public side there would be some real value in getting that time critical stuff before everyone else.</p>
<p>We really are talking minutes at most here, but I think there would be lots of super premium subscribers to such a service and for them there would be value in keeping access as unbridled as possible, more voices = more data points to filter and more chance of getting a tweet from someone that has something people will want to hear about.</p>
<p>But hey, what the hell do I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxine Appleby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxine Appleby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florian - you have a good business model but I think the infrastructure would be difficult to implement at this phase. 

Twitter is one of the best network facilitation tools available but I think we all under value the data derived from tweets. In the retail marketplace, choosing a product is largely an emotional process. Moods affect consumption patterns. A tweet  is an emotion, a mood, or an emotional reaction. Friends and their followers are micro-societies and these social groups have patterns

Facebook Connect already shares behavior patterns with their advertisers

I think Ev, Jack and Biz should be developing an analytical tool that can be used to trend these emotions and behavioral patterns derived from tweets. This emotional intelligence can then be marketed in the same way that agencies sell high priced strategic target marketing lists. 

This business model would have the least amount of disruption to the twitter operation as it exists today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florian &#8211; you have a good business model but I think the infrastructure would be difficult to implement at this phase. </p>
<p>Twitter is one of the best network facilitation tools available but I think we all under value the data derived from tweets. In the retail marketplace, choosing a product is largely an emotional process. Moods affect consumption patterns. A tweet  is an emotion, a mood, or an emotional reaction. Friends and their followers are micro-societies and these social groups have patterns</p>
<p>Facebook Connect already shares behavior patterns with their advertisers</p>
<p>I think Ev, Jack and Biz should be developing an analytical tool that can be used to trend these emotions and behavioral patterns derived from tweets. This emotional intelligence can then be marketed in the same way that agencies sell high priced strategic target marketing lists. </p>
<p>This business model would have the least amount of disruption to the twitter operation as it exists today.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Livingstone-Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Livingstone-Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should read ...

&quot;Just not so convinced you can chaRge for basic data IO.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should read &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Just not so convinced you can chaRge for basic data IO.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Livingstone-Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Livingstone-Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way i see if, if you create a twitter client and sell it for $2, unless you become THE twitter client  (unlikely) then you aren&#039;t really going to justify your time if twitter charge anything significant for the API.

I do think they need to adopt an AdWords type model though where they pass on the expense to a long tail. 

Not sure whether the Twitter API would be something worth charging for. Perhaps, but i just imagine another free API would come out and twitter would die.

I think POSTing and GETing basic data from sites needs to be free. There is value in algorithms prior to getting the data (not something Twitter does) and there is value is using data context to do something - such as relevant ads.

Just not so convinced you can change for basic data IO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way i see if, if you create a twitter client and sell it for $2, unless you become THE twitter client  (unlikely) then you aren&#8217;t really going to justify your time if twitter charge anything significant for the API.</p>
<p>I do think they need to adopt an AdWords type model though where they pass on the expense to a long tail. </p>
<p>Not sure whether the Twitter API would be something worth charging for. Perhaps, but i just imagine another free API would come out and twitter would die.</p>
<p>I think POSTing and GETing basic data from sites needs to be free. There is value in algorithms prior to getting the data (not something Twitter does) and there is value is using data context to do something &#8211; such as relevant ads.</p>
<p>Just not so convinced you can change for basic data IO.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I personally think an advertising tweet would be a good way for Twitter to monetize, I wonder how the community would respond.
My first thought upon seeing TweetDeck is that this could really make Twitter a means to make money. For that to work though, Twitter needs to be self sustainable also.
I hope they are successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I personally think an advertising tweet would be a good way for Twitter to monetize, I wonder how the community would respond.<br />
My first thought upon seeing TweetDeck is that this could really make Twitter a means to make money. For that to work though, Twitter needs to be self sustainable also.<br />
I hope they are successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aswath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may b a workable proposition. But what is noteworthy is that there is very little discussion on my microblogging requires a central facilitator while blogging doesn&#039;t. I hope we shake out an artificially created network effect when every one on Internet have the ultimate network effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may b a workable proposition. But what is noteworthy is that there is very little discussion on my microblogging requires a central facilitator while blogging doesn&#8217;t. I hope we shake out an artificially created network effect when every one on Internet have the ultimate network effect.</p>
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