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	<title>Comments on: Nokia Siemens and Iran, USA uses exact same technology to monitor its citizens</title>
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		<title>By: Pointer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pointer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 10:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think whoever has written this article is making a fool of himself/herself. Because USA&#039;s goal was never to stop the monitoring equipment, but to stop Iran&#039;s progress in communication technologies. USA wants to increase the risk for doing business with Iran. If America can make companies embarrassed when they are doing business with Iran then Iran will have a hard time to modernize its infra structure. Actually Iran has been one of the top spenders on communication infrastructure in recent years and USA wants to stop that. The whole reason for that is Iran should be stopped from becoming a modern technological country. Though mullahs are not fools either and they have been heavily investing in education and research so much so that Iran today has the world&#039;s fastest growth rate in science and technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think whoever has written this article is making a fool of himself/herself. Because USA&#8217;s goal was never to stop the monitoring equipment, but to stop Iran&#8217;s progress in communication technologies. USA wants to increase the risk for doing business with Iran. If America can make companies embarrassed when they are doing business with Iran then Iran will have a hard time to modernize its infra structure. Actually Iran has been one of the top spenders on communication infrastructure in recent years and USA wants to stop that. The whole reason for that is Iran should be stopped from becoming a modern technological country. Though mullahs are not fools either and they have been heavily investing in education and research so much so that Iran today has the world&#8217;s fastest growth rate in science and technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Median Nokiavaino on mielenkiintoinen ilmiö &#171; Rakas sijoituspäiväkirjani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Median Nokiavaino on mielenkiintoinen ilmiö &#171; Rakas sijoituspäiväkirjani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Iranissa ja aivan varmasti noiden muidenkin verkkolaitetoimittajien laitteissa on mukana tämä &#8220;lawful intercept&#8221; toiminto koska se on mukana vakiona jokaisen laitetoimittajan verkkol.... Ruotsalainen Ericsson on toimittanut Iraniin mobiiliverkkolaitteita voi olla muitakin valmistajia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Iranissa ja aivan varmasti noiden muidenkin verkkolaitetoimittajien laitteissa on mukana tämä &#8220;lawful intercept&#8221; toiminto koska se on mukana vakiona jokaisen laitetoimittajan verkkol&#8230;. Ruotsalainen Ericsson on toimittanut Iraniin mobiiliverkkolaitteita voi olla muitakin valmistajia [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New Day, New Internet Threats in Iran</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Day, New Internet Threats in Iran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] messages can be tracked &amp; read. We know that Iran (along with the United States) uses the same monitoring technology sold by Nokia Siemens. What they call &#8216;lawful intercept&#8217; technology can certainly be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] messages can be tracked &#38; read. We know that Iran (along with the United States) uses the same monitoring technology sold by Nokia Siemens. What they call &#8216;lawful intercept&#8217; technology can certainly be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where&#8217;s the Old Media Accountbility? &#171; The SiliconANGLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where&#8217;s the Old Media Accountbility? &#171; The SiliconANGLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is reasonable to be upset about in the situation that Iran finds itself in, but not uncommon.&#160; Pat Phelan spoke back in July of this year to this very topic: I think Nokia’s behavior in the whole sordid issue has been exemplary given [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is reasonable to be upset about in the situation that Iran finds itself in, but not uncommon.&#160; Pat Phelan spoke back in July of this year to this very topic: I think Nokia’s behavior in the whole sordid issue has been exemplary given [...]</p>
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		<title>By: neda</title>
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		<dc:creator>neda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fact that the us, eu or other democratic countries may use the same technology does not make it OK for nokia to sell it to an oppressive regime whose intent is clearly to use it to maintain its status. In a democratic country you can write in an sms or say on the phone that your president is an ass, your government is evil, you can organise protests and so on without this amounting to you being detained or imprisoned or even questioned. In Iran a paranoid authority is rounding up people for yelling &quot;God is great&quot; from their rooftops. So imagine how they would use a monitoring technology. Definitely not for the protection or safety of the population. There may be abuse of hte monitoring system in western countries as well but it doesn&#039;t even come close to the situation in Iran. 

In another article somebody mentioned that this technology is absolutely neccessary for the functioning of the network. Is this true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact that the us, eu or other democratic countries may use the same technology does not make it OK for nokia to sell it to an oppressive regime whose intent is clearly to use it to maintain its status. In a democratic country you can write in an sms or say on the phone that your president is an ass, your government is evil, you can organise protests and so on without this amounting to you being detained or imprisoned or even questioned. In Iran a paranoid authority is rounding up people for yelling &#8220;God is great&#8221; from their rooftops. So imagine how they would use a monitoring technology. Definitely not for the protection or safety of the population. There may be abuse of hte monitoring system in western countries as well but it doesn&#8217;t even come close to the situation in Iran. </p>
<p>In another article somebody mentioned that this technology is absolutely neccessary for the functioning of the network. Is this true?</p>
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		<title>By: kah</title>
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		<dc:creator>kah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved your article.. 

Ignorance made them think like this..

so simple... Monitoring is server side not client side..

so what ever phone you would have the switch will monitor the calls/SMS/MMS/GPRS/Location...

moreover, what so ever the vendor was either NSN/Ericsson/Moto/Haw.. they would need to follow the Iranian government by suppling lawful intercept functionality on the switch..

If you are afraid on your privacy dont use technology.. even my comment can be tracked from which IP address posted then i will be caught :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved your article.. </p>
<p>Ignorance made them think like this..</p>
<p>so simple&#8230; Monitoring is server side not client side..</p>
<p>so what ever phone you would have the switch will monitor the calls/SMS/MMS/GPRS/Location&#8230;</p>
<p>moreover, what so ever the vendor was either NSN/Ericsson/Moto/Haw.. they would need to follow the Iranian government by suppling lawful intercept functionality on the switch..</p>
<p>If you are afraid on your privacy dont use technology.. even my comment can be tracked from which IP address posted then i will be caught <img src='http://patphelan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right in the need of this system for regular Police function. But the problem begins when NSN provides a system that could goes far above and beyond what a normal Police force requires. What police force in the world requires such a spec for 70 million people nation? They did indeed have a choice to carefully design their offer, and they well knew what they were getting into. But they choose to go ahead with it anyway. 

And now, consumers in Iran and else where are responding to these reckless business practices. I  this the public is teaching the companies that choose to work with regimes of this sort a lesson in citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right in the need of this system for regular Police function. But the problem begins when NSN provides a system that could goes far above and beyond what a normal Police force requires. What police force in the world requires such a spec for 70 million people nation? They did indeed have a choice to carefully design their offer, and they well knew what they were getting into. But they choose to go ahead with it anyway. </p>
<p>And now, consumers in Iran and else where are responding to these reckless business practices. I  this the public is teaching the companies that choose to work with regimes of this sort a lesson in citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Nokia Siemens and Iran, USA uses exact same technology to monitor &#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Mobile Phone Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nokia Siemens and Iran, USA uses exact same technology to monitor &#8230;&#160;&#124;&#160;Mobile Phone Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See the rest here:  Nokia Siemens and Iran, USA uses exact same technology to monitor &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Telemekus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Telemekus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Turtles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Turtles</p>
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		<title>By: mike giggler</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike giggler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rent-a-mobi surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rent-a-mobi surely?</p>
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