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		<title>By: Rethinking the DEMO, TechCrunch 50 Megalaunch &#124; BuzzStream Blog</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/robert-tonight-you-lost-that-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-490645</link>
		<dc:creator>Rethinking the DEMO, TechCrunch 50 Megalaunch &#124; BuzzStream Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The blogosphere has erupted into a near riot after Robert Scoble&#8217;s &#8220;companies launching at DEMO suck&#8221; series of blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scoble Sucks &#124; Open Source Blogging</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/robert-tonight-you-lost-that-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-485575</link>
		<dc:creator>Scoble Sucks &#124; Open Source Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pat Phelan, founder of MaxRoam, says that today my shine came off. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sabrina Dent</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/robert-tonight-you-lost-that-shine/comment-page-1/#comment-485393</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabrina Dent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue. It&#039;s really, really, REALLY common. Last week I got a call from a startup looking for some help with the website they just more or less threw up to have a brand and a presence when they were getting their staff, backend dev and funding together.

They are launching in October. 

I pointed out that they had left it very late to hire a designer for a job launching in six weeks that would take at least three weeks to complete and the company guy said &quot;Oh. Yeah. We&#039;ve been kind of... busy.&quot;

To this guy, he has a great and exciting product with a winning team, the glory of cash money, and probably something that operates effortlessly under the hood. The front end is just one of many, many pieces he&#039;s juggling into place. 

But of course, from Scoble&#039;s point of view, it&#039;s the ONLY part he sees, and thus, the most important. Scoble has a very valid point, but it wasn&#039;t made very graciously. It&#039;s also statistically unlikely that &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; 70 do in fact suck and this probably was not the best occasion for hyperbole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I can see both sides of this issue. It&#8217;s really, really, REALLY common. Last week I got a call from a startup looking for some help with the website they just more or less threw up to have a brand and a presence when they were getting their staff, backend dev and funding together.</p>
<p>They are launching in October. </p>
<p>I pointed out that they had left it very late to hire a designer for a job launching in six weeks that would take at least three weeks to complete and the company guy said &#8220;Oh. Yeah. We&#8217;ve been kind of&#8230; busy.&#8221;</p>
<p>To this guy, he has a great and exciting product with a winning team, the glory of cash money, and probably something that operates effortlessly under the hood. The front end is just one of many, many pieces he&#8217;s juggling into place. </p>
<p>But of course, from Scoble&#8217;s point of view, it&#8217;s the ONLY part he sees, and thus, the most important. Scoble has a very valid point, but it wasn&#8217;t made very graciously. It&#8217;s also statistically unlikely that <strong>all</strong> 70 do in fact suck and this probably was not the best occasion for hyperbole.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble vs Startups at Demo&#8217;08 &#124; LucaFiligheddu.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble vs Startups at Demo&#8217;08 &#124; LucaFiligheddu.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pat Phelan and Alec Saunders posted a reply in their own blogs stating Robert should have been more tactful in highlighting the cons of those startups, since there is surely a lot of work behind each of them and he&#8217;s not in the position to criticize them since he never built a startup himself. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pat Phelan and Alec Saunders posted a reply in their own blogs stating Robert should have been more tactful in highlighting the cons of those startups, since there is surely a lot of work behind each of them and he&#8217;s not in the position to criticize them since he never built a startup himself. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scoble&#8217;s rant reflects badly on him, not the 72 companies &#8212; Alec Saunders SquawkBox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scoble&#8217;s rant reflects badly on him, not the 72 companies &#8212; Alec Saunders SquawkBox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert tonight you lost that shine [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat can you please fix my comment! I mean to say: 

Life is never pure and simple, and there are no absolutes.  Slating every single one of them makes great copy. Doesn’t that make the post even more surprising?

Sorry my laptop has gone mad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat can you please fix my comment! I mean to say: </p>
<p>Life is never pure and simple, and there are no absolutes.  Slating every single one of them makes great copy. Doesn’t that make the post even more surprising?</p>
<p>Sorry my laptop has gone mad!</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s incredibly sad. Coming out and slating all of the companies sites is small-minded. These companies have out their time, money, blood and everything else they have on the line. 

Life is never pure and simple, and there are no ab Slating every single one of them makes great absolutes. Doesn&#039;t that make the post even more surprising? 

Saying things suck just doesn&#039;t cut the mustard. It&#039;s not constructive. Criticism when fairly pitched helps startups refine their offerings. Saying things just suck is akin to throwing one&#039;s arms up the air and bitching.  Robert, I&#039;m disappointed in you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s incredibly sad. Coming out and slating all of the companies sites is small-minded. These companies have out their time, money, blood and everything else they have on the line. </p>
<p>Life is never pure and simple, and there are no ab Slating every single one of them makes great absolutes. Doesn&#8217;t that make the post even more surprising? </p>
<p>Saying things suck just doesn&#8217;t cut the mustard. It&#8217;s not constructive. Criticism when fairly pitched helps startups refine their offerings. Saying things just suck is akin to throwing one&#8217;s arms up the air and bitching.  Robert, I&#8217;m disappointed in you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, AJ, the way Robert comes out and says things is pretty harsh, and if he spent just a few minutes thinking about how it comes across before clicking &quot;submit&quot;, he and everyone else would benefit more.

I do think that it&#039;s important that websites are given much higher priority by startups.  Five years ago I&#039;d say it was a lot more forgivable to let that slide, but it should absolutely be given very high priority in this day and age.  It does happen to be the first think people see about a company.

It doesn&#039;t seem like Robert took the time to find out if the companies wanted to do a launch at DEMO, but even if they did, they really shouldn&#039;t have made the websites live unless they gave it the attention it deserved.

I do agree that with Robert&#039;s influence, he does have an &quot;earned?&quot; responsibility to make more of an effort to research and use more tact before shooting from the hip.  If mistakes were made, he does magnify them.  Knowing that, though, people do have to stay on their toes.  It may not be fair, but it is what it is with him.  Overall, I think he does more good than harm, but he is a wild card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, AJ, the way Robert comes out and says things is pretty harsh, and if he spent just a few minutes thinking about how it comes across before clicking &#8220;submit&#8221;, he and everyone else would benefit more.</p>
<p>I do think that it&#8217;s important that websites are given much higher priority by startups.  Five years ago I&#8217;d say it was a lot more forgivable to let that slide, but it should absolutely be given very high priority in this day and age.  It does happen to be the first think people see about a company.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem like Robert took the time to find out if the companies wanted to do a launch at DEMO, but even if they did, they really shouldn&#8217;t have made the websites live unless they gave it the attention it deserved.</p>
<p>I do agree that with Robert&#8217;s influence, he does have an &#8220;earned?&#8221; responsibility to make more of an effort to research and use more tact before shooting from the hip.  If mistakes were made, he does magnify them.  Knowing that, though, people do have to stay on their toes.  It may not be fair, but it is what it is with him.  Overall, I think he does more good than harm, but he is a wild card.</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you say jason kicked your butt because your presentation was weak.  and you benefited from that. 

how much different are scobles observations than that?  weak presentation, al the website.

c&#039;mon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you say jason kicked your butt because your presentation was weak.  and you benefited from that. </p>
<p>how much different are scobles observations than that?  weak presentation, al the website.</p>
<p>c&#8217;mon.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Freedman, I hear what you are saying and think its quite a lot more eloquently put that &quot;Boy, do they suck. Really, really suck.&quot;

However, what has not been considered is that startups are by their very nature starting up. That means things get overlooked sometimes, the resources are not there, they are busy trying to generate revenue or pay bills or concentrate on build what they are building before they lauch a full site to get the message out there etc i.e. They can be raw and very raw.. 

Some mistakes such as negleted websites I think in my opinion are forgiveable.  Plus what is not to say this is a deliberate strategy on behalf of some of the companies. Maybe they do want ot do a launch at DEMO. I can&#039;t say that it is, but did Scoble take the time to find out?

When someone such as Robert, blankets everyone with a comment like that I don&#039;t think its really fair and thought out. Sure most have a tick skin and you will need one, but at the end of the day high profile guys slate you before you really get started, its gotta have an impact somewhere.It was just a really sucky way to get across his point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Freedman, I hear what you are saying and think its quite a lot more eloquently put that &#8220;Boy, do they suck. Really, really suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, what has not been considered is that startups are by their very nature starting up. That means things get overlooked sometimes, the resources are not there, they are busy trying to generate revenue or pay bills or concentrate on build what they are building before they lauch a full site to get the message out there etc i.e. They can be raw and very raw.. </p>
<p>Some mistakes such as negleted websites I think in my opinion are forgiveable.  Plus what is not to say this is a deliberate strategy on behalf of some of the companies. Maybe they do want ot do a launch at DEMO. I can&#8217;t say that it is, but did Scoble take the time to find out?</p>
<p>When someone such as Robert, blankets everyone with a comment like that I don&#8217;t think its really fair and thought out. Sure most have a tick skin and you will need one, but at the end of the day high profile guys slate you before you really get started, its gotta have an impact somewhere.It was just a really sucky way to get across his point.</p>
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