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		<title>By: Nick McGivney</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/why-social-media-is-the-oldest-industy-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-497235</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick McGivney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pat. Interesting bit of balance here. I&#039;ve plunged into blogging over the last year only, coming from the squarely opposite world of traditional advertising. I&#039;ve been swamped with information, and it seems remarkably generously given, not just on blogs but sites like Slideshare, the TED debates and on and on.

A lot of it is conflicting, so it seems that the more I read, the more the common sense rule of making one&#039;s own mind up ought to prevail. And with opinions of difference such as your own and Jim Novo&#039;s I feel even more forced into that view. No bad thing, but on the whole I think the friendly wild west frontier feeling probably is dissipating for long termers like yourself.

For newbies like me, coming from a more cynical marketing push background, it still feels like new media, and it feels social. A woman from Briish Columbia and a man from Cork, neither of whom I know, very generously gave me the benefit of their learnings in the last week, neatly packaged too. Yep, it feels social to me. But I don&#039;t doubt that when the corporation figures it out finally, that will face some erosion. I&#039;d better stop. I feel an online version of &lt;em&gt;Desiderata&lt;/em&gt; coming on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pat. Interesting bit of balance here. I&#8217;ve plunged into blogging over the last year only, coming from the squarely opposite world of traditional advertising. I&#8217;ve been swamped with information, and it seems remarkably generously given, not just on blogs but sites like Slideshare, the TED debates and on and on.</p>
<p>A lot of it is conflicting, so it seems that the more I read, the more the common sense rule of making one&#8217;s own mind up ought to prevail. And with opinions of difference such as your own and Jim Novo&#8217;s I feel even more forced into that view. No bad thing, but on the whole I think the friendly wild west frontier feeling probably is dissipating for long termers like yourself.</p>
<p>For newbies like me, coming from a more cynical marketing push background, it still feels like new media, and it feels social. A woman from Briish Columbia and a man from Cork, neither of whom I know, very generously gave me the benefit of their learnings in the last week, neatly packaged too. Yep, it feels social to me. But I don&#8217;t doubt that when the corporation figures it out finally, that will face some erosion. I&#8217;d better stop. I feel an online version of <em>Desiderata</em> coming on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Fullard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Fullard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;2009 will be there year of value, where people go back to selling stuff not dreams, its a new concept, you make stuff and you sell&quot;

Back to basics and a good thing too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2009 will be there year of value, where people go back to selling stuff not dreams, its a new concept, you make stuff and you sell&#8221;</p>
<p>Back to basics and a good thing too!</p>
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		<title>By: ultan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Total Langerfest. However, with 100K working people (out of 2m) in Ireland responsible for 87% of the nations exports (and that&#039;s dead for 7 years) and negative growth predicted there&#039;ll be SFA to sell and nothing to buy it with, so the usual twatters might as well continue the headwank on blogs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Total Langerfest. However, with 100K working people (out of 2m) in Ireland responsible for 87% of the nations exports (and that&#8217;s dead for 7 years) and negative growth predicted there&#8217;ll be SFA to sell and nothing to buy it with, so the usual twatters might as well continue the headwank on blogs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Brown</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/why-social-media-is-the-oldest-industy-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-496281</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all relevant to what you want, Pat. You mention that you want people to go back to giving free advice - after all, it&#039;s why you started blogging.

I agree - and I think you&#039;ll find that&#039;s exactly what Chris and others in the list offer on their blogs and through other mediums. 

I see a lot of people commenting here think social media is a waste of time, and hey, maybe they&#039;re right, maybe they&#039;re wrong - but it&#039;s an opinion and we all have our own. Which is what makes marketing and any other &quot;service-led&quot; industry such a funky place to be - one man&#039;s cheese is another man&#039;s Baby Bel.

At the end of the day, if a blog encourages interaction (which yours does well) and it makes people think and ask questions of themselves, then that&#039;s success, no? Regardless of Alexa ranking?

(Which, according to my Firefox toolbar, my blog has a higher rating but means absolutely diddly squat as we&#039;re geared to different audiences).

Here&#039;s to every successful blog - one reader or more. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all relevant to what you want, Pat. You mention that you want people to go back to giving free advice &#8211; after all, it&#8217;s why you started blogging.</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; and I think you&#8217;ll find that&#8217;s exactly what Chris and others in the list offer on their blogs and through other mediums. </p>
<p>I see a lot of people commenting here think social media is a waste of time, and hey, maybe they&#8217;re right, maybe they&#8217;re wrong &#8211; but it&#8217;s an opinion and we all have our own. Which is what makes marketing and any other &#8220;service-led&#8221; industry such a funky place to be &#8211; one man&#8217;s cheese is another man&#8217;s Baby Bel.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, if a blog encourages interaction (which yours does well) and it makes people think and ask questions of themselves, then that&#8217;s success, no? Regardless of Alexa ranking?</p>
<p>(Which, according to my Firefox toolbar, my blog has a higher rating but means absolutely diddly squat as we&#8217;re geared to different audiences).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to every successful blog &#8211; one reader or more. <img src='http://patphelan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Le Christmas Eve Red Links 24/12/08 : Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Christmas Eve Red Links 24/12/08 : Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bernie Goldbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie Goldbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I enjoy the work of good storytellers and when I find them sharing online, I listen to their work. And I don&#039;t mind listening to a Ninja spin a good yarn. There are some good Ninjas who are prolific tweeple in Ireland and they score highly when graded through Twitter analytics. It&#039;s really up to each of us to decide whose  beautiful noise works best in amplifying our stories for a wider audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I enjoy the work of good storytellers and when I find them sharing online, I listen to their work. And I don&#8217;t mind listening to a Ninja spin a good yarn. There are some good Ninjas who are prolific tweeple in Ireland and they score highly when graded through Twitter analytics. It&#8217;s really up to each of us to decide whose  beautiful noise works best in amplifying our stories for a wider audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Crime of Social Passion &#187; Marketing Productivity Blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crime of Social Passion &#187; Marketing Productivity Blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/why-social-media-is-the-oldest-industy-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-496258</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the same old schtik isn&#039;t it, distasteful but nothing new. When marketers find themselves outside a market they go and buy fixers who say they can hook them up, many style themselves as holding the keys to the doors.

Thing is, the &quot;social media consultants&quot; aren&#039;t really in the market the marketers want in on mostly because that neat package called social media doesn&#039;t exist, it&#039;s the modern day vend diagram bull, just stroke your chin and throw in a few key words and your in. So you get these social media guru&#039;s playing the same old trend setter/spotter game that, as Pat has said, is one of the oldest games in town.

Just look at the fashion industry as the most analogous to &quot;social media&quot;... Nobody devoid of mental defect wares 99% of that high fashion ego fart clobber. Plenty a group wankist riding on the bandwagon, mostly for the free coke and easy sex with wannabe models...

That begs the question, social media gurus, are they in it to bed wannabe rails coders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the same old schtik isn&#8217;t it, distasteful but nothing new. When marketers find themselves outside a market they go and buy fixers who say they can hook them up, many style themselves as holding the keys to the doors.</p>
<p>Thing is, the &#8220;social media consultants&#8221; aren&#8217;t really in the market the marketers want in on mostly because that neat package called social media doesn&#8217;t exist, it&#8217;s the modern day vend diagram bull, just stroke your chin and throw in a few key words and your in. So you get these social media guru&#8217;s playing the same old trend setter/spotter game that, as Pat has said, is one of the oldest games in town.</p>
<p>Just look at the fashion industry as the most analogous to &#8220;social media&#8221;&#8230; Nobody devoid of mental defect wares 99% of that high fashion ego fart clobber. Plenty a group wankist riding on the bandwagon, mostly for the free coke and easy sex with wannabe models&#8230;</p>
<p>That begs the question, social media gurus, are they in it to bed wannabe rails coders?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexia Golez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexia Golez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullshit social media experts/ninjas/coaches/gurus or whatever you are having yourself are ruining the communications industry. 

The truth is that spinning words to wrap fluffy concepts and bullshit sales methodologies is the highest form of protectionism. Making communications tools as hazy and arcane as possible works for these Ninjas, because it&#039;s a high demo of misdirection and illusion. Without all this bull, they&#039;d all be on the dole or pumping off other suckers. I wonder how many of these hacks were Millennium Eve experts/WAP marketing whizzes? 

Shitterville is in the shitter. Not because of the community, but because of these leaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullshit social media experts/ninjas/coaches/gurus or whatever you are having yourself are ruining the communications industry. </p>
<p>The truth is that spinning words to wrap fluffy concepts and bullshit sales methodologies is the highest form of protectionism. Making communications tools as hazy and arcane as possible works for these Ninjas, because it&#8217;s a high demo of misdirection and illusion. Without all this bull, they&#8217;d all be on the dole or pumping off other suckers. I wonder how many of these hacks were Millennium Eve experts/WAP marketing whizzes? </p>
<p>Shitterville is in the shitter. Not because of the community, but because of these leaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny Gill</title>
		<link>http://patphelan.net/why-social-media-is-the-oldest-industy-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-496253</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Statistical rankings may be a factor but the value of a person/site and their content isn&#039;t always based on an Alexa ranking (of all things) but more so on the interaction and conversation that goes on within that blog and the respect that the person has created within the industry/community. Something you&#039;ll be able to see when actually interacting on the blog.

Nonetheless - I see your point on revenue but comparing your site and DoshDosh.com, where Maki has built a great blog and following, through Alexa shows that you have a slightly higher ranking than him. Does that really tell the story?

I&#039;ll take valuable content and conversation over an Alexa ranking any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Statistical rankings may be a factor but the value of a person/site and their content isn&#8217;t always based on an Alexa ranking (of all things) but more so on the interaction and conversation that goes on within that blog and the respect that the person has created within the industry/community. Something you&#8217;ll be able to see when actually interacting on the blog.</p>
<p>Nonetheless &#8211; I see your point on revenue but comparing your site and DoshDosh.com, where Maki has built a great blog and following, through Alexa shows that you have a slightly higher ranking than him. Does that really tell the story?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take valuable content and conversation over an Alexa ranking any day.</p>
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